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The Pre-Interview Stage - A New Stage in the Path to Employment

This idea benefits youth job applicants and employers. The path to employment for youth includes completing an online application and waiting to be contacted for an interview. For many youth an interview may be an intimidating, uncomfortable experience. They may feel that it is not a reflection of their true self and their capabilities. The path to hire for employers is, place an ad with the job requirements, receive and review applications, conduct personal interviews, make a selection. The "Pre-Interview Stage" creates an opportunity to increase the chances for a positive outcome for both applicant and employer. How? By providing a platform which includes observation and reflection with the potential to foster connections.

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How might we re-think the recruiting process to align the needs of employers with potential employees' talents?  


A Three Step Pre-Interview Process

For the candidate the steps are:

Observation - Collaboration - Reflection 

For the employer the steps are:
Observation - Review - Assess

Process For Employers
1)  After screening CVs invite selected candidates in as groups.

2)  Prepare to have the candidates observe the work environment in some capacity.  Examples -  Have them attend a meeting.  Have them observe a sales team.  Alternatively have them watch a video of a work situation. 

3)  Present the group with a scenario based on the work situation they have been observing.  Ask them to collaborate around a specific question as it relates to their observations. 

4)  Observe the group interaction.  What role does each candidate play?  What can we learn about each applicant as they interact with their peers? 

Process For Applicants
1)  Arrive at the appointed time to the potential employer's work site.

2)  Be put into groups with other applicants, or perhaps current employees.

3)  Observe current staff doing their jobs either in real time or on a video.

4)  As a group collaborate around a specific question or problem posed,  as it relates to what you have just observed.

5)  Reflect on the experience as a whole.  Create a narrative focusing on whatever aspect of the experience you choose.  There are many possibilities including observations of employee interactions, applicant interactions/collaborative exercise, and reflection on the problem presented are just a few.  The exercise will be merely to "reflect on your experience here."  (The exercise is meant to be a reflection and not an evaluation of one's writing skills.)

6)  The day ends here.  The next step will be a call back for an interview.


Brainstorming with a friend we had a lively discussion about the recruiting and interviewing process for young people in the current employment market.  I suggested observing youth candidates as a group working around problem solving.  My friend opined that this would be limiting for youth that are introverted and uncomfortable jumping into group discussions, particularly with strangers.  She was adamant that there will be many good applicants that may be pushed aside in these situations.    

She proceeded to share a story with me of a young college student who shadowed her in her medical/surgical practice briefly last year.  The girl's mother is one of her patients.  She and her husband were at an appointment and they proudly told the doctor that their daughter is pre-med.  The physician offered to host their daughter in her office for a few weeks, giving her the opportunity to shadow and get some real world experience.  The young woman jumped at the chance.
The young woman came to several office sessions.  The physician and her medical assistant introduced her to their patients and explained the basic workings of the office.  She observed doctor/patient interactions.  The physician noted her to be quiet.  She did not ask questions, was not proactive and when prompted to do a task was slow in doing so.  The doctor and the medical assistant wondered to themselves if this young woman was choosing the correct career path as she seemed passive, the opposite of engaged and energetic.  At the end of the experience the student asked the physician for a letter of recommendation for medical school.  Not having much to go on the doctor asked her "to write the letter herself describing what her experience was like and some of the things she got out of it."  She would then use this to compose a letter.

She received the write up a few days later.  She was surprised at what she read.   "She had been observing all along the human interactions, the subleties, how I explained things at the patient's level, what the set up was in the office, the doctor's ability to communicate effectively with patients."  The letter was "observant and well written."
"She was much more aware than we gave her credit for."  Upon reflection the physician recalled that this young woman was raised in a strict religious family.  She wondered if within this culture young women were not encouraged to step in and ask questions.  "I learned from that experience.  She was amazing as far as what she observed about me and I was amazed at what she observed about the process."  In retrospect the physician remarked, "I might have been giving her tasks at a higher level than she was at.  She did not speak up."  

This young woman observed in detail interactions the MD had with her patients.  She described their communication noting how the physician was able to convey complex medical information in a way that was straightforward and simple so that an ill patient could understand it.  She described with empathy how patients received difficult news.  She clearly was present and not distracted.  She saw and heard everything that transpired in that room capturing it in her writing with great sensitivity. The issues here were -  she was young, inexperienced, uncomfortable as an "intruder" in a very personal space.  Cultural issues may have been at play.  For her level of education she was completely on target.  Her focus was on the interpersonal aspect of medicine.  That is what she was able to understand and she reflected on it beautifully.

This story reminded me of a meeting I had with a young woman who also had plans to study medicine.  In this case I was interviewing her for admission to medical school.  On her application she noted, amongst the many activities she participated in, that she had shadowed a family practitioner in her local community for a few sessions.  I asked her to reflect on her experience in the office.  What did you see?  learn?
"Nothing really.  Just checking throats...."  She told me she plans to become and obstetrician and that she really learned very little in the doctor's office.  This young woman did not exhibit the same skill set as the one in the story above, at least at that point in time.   

From our discussion we came up with an idea to add to the observation step and subsequent collaborative exercise, a reflective exercise in which youth write about this experience.  Using this approach there are multiple ways for an applicant to express oneself and therefore different opportunities for the employer to observe and assess.  

Going one step further, what does this community think about including a lunch in this process?  Will this add an opportunity for applicants to get a better look at the culture of the work site, as they interact with employees less formally?  It can also be an opportunity for employers and their teams to further observe applicants.  
Medical residency interviewing is a full day process.  There are educational sessions with faculty, lunch and tours of hospital facilities with resident physicians, and several formal interviews.  As an applicant in this process I found it exhausting, at times anxiety provoking, sometimes educational, and upon occasion exciting to connect or reconnect with peers.  In restrospect the process was an important opportunity for both applicant and future employer to look, see, observe in a variety of settings over the course of a day.  It helps both.  If feasible it might be a good idea to borrow some of this structure in other recruiting settings.  One part of this process that stood out for me was that our personal statements were reviewed and considered by the department.  Personal experience:  On one interview day I was surprised when the Dept. Chair greeted and welcomed me by name as he entered grand rounds first thing in the morning. (We had never met. All the applications had attached photos.)  That afternoon I had a personal interview with him.  He let me know that I had written something in my personal statement that caught his attention.  As a young person I found this experience extremely validating.  
How can we create opportunities for youth to express themselves in ways that stand out to potential employers?  Is the Pre Interview Stage such an opportunity?

Reflecting on one's experience, sharing it with potential employers, creates opportunities for employers to "see" applicants in ways  that the current recruiting process does not.  Experiencing a work site creates opportunities for applicants to gain knowledge about a possible job.

Interview User Experiences
A conversation with a 30 year old about his interview experience for his present job lead to interesting insights on different approaches to interview processes that he experienced overtime.
He describes himself as an introvert. 

Descriptions of two interview processes he has experienced and his reflections on them.

Current position in human resources at a community health center.
1 - Applied online.
2 - Received a group of questions by email to answer in response to his application.
3 - Called in to interview
4 - Interviewed in person with a group of 3 manager level staff.
5 - Interviewed in a second stage by the organization's CEO.
He described the experience as "okay - a bit nerve wracking."  "Answering questions online first was a good start to the process."

Earlier on his employment trajectory -
23 year old college student looking for part time work.
Applied for a position to work in guest services at a tourist destination site in NYC.  
The interview was in a group.
A facilitator was present.  
He had the group introduce themselves to each other.  
He asked questions of the group which were answered individually by raising one's hand. 
Interaction and discussion within the group was also encouraged.

"I liked that the focus of the interview was not completely on me 100% of the time during the interview process."

"I liked that I could pick and choose which questions to answer and to participate as much or as little as I wanted to."

"I hate interviews.  This was one of the better ones."

The group interview was followed by individual interviews.  He landed the job!
Good user experience!

(I wonder if this company used a group format here because their industry is tourism, and therefore they wanted to observe candidates in a setting where they interact with others.)  


Who does this idea benefit, who are the main players and what's in it for them?

This benefits all youth that do not have an opportunity to show themselves fully in the current job application process. This benefits employers that are interested in gaining a better understanding of who the applicant is as opposed to what their credentials are. How to get the word out? Pilot this idea within different work places and industries. If employers get results they will adopt it more widely. How to share their findings? Human Resource community social media, employees, any other great ideas?

How is your idea specifically increasing access to employment opportunities and pathways for young people?

A user's experience changes with this path to employment because it enables the applicant to exhibit qualities not necessarily reflected on their CV. It enables them to show qualities that they may not recognize in themselves. They will be observed as they actively listen. They will be observed as they interact with peers in a collaborative exercise. Their ideas and thoughts will gain notice as they will have the opportunity to reflect, to write about their experience. For youth who are shy or introverted and do not express themselves well in a group of strangers, or perhaps in an interview, this can be a terrific opportunity to exhibit their insights, ideas, observations. A recruiter may see a completely different person on the page than they did during the exercise. This person might be the exact one that fits the open position. The choice of narrative may reflect on aspects of the applicant's character. It can reflect their work ethic, values, humor, point of view, empathy - qualities that may not be exhibited by a youth who has limited experience being interviewed and is nervous throughout the process. This creates opportunities for employers to see youth in different ways and to select the candidates that best fits their needs.

The idea emerged from:

  • A group brainstorm

How do you envision your idea being implemented?

  • Keen to be involved in prototyping but need partners at some stage


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Tino, Sarah, Aparna - Welcome to the team! Aparna will be trying out some aspects of this idea during an upcoming hiring process with youth. As she shares any insights/learnings and posts the team will get notifications. In this way we can all learn from the process! Thanks Aparna!

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Hi Bettina,

Being new to OpenIdeo I'm not sure how the timelines on this work - as I know that this will move to the next phase soon, however shortlisting and inviting candidates will take a little time here, should be able to run some trials before the end of the month.

One of the positions I am hiring for is a Program Coordinator for an education technology program - and a large part of their role will be focused on basic teacher trainings

I thought a good way to try out the idea would be to have selected candidates come in as groups of 3-4 and observe a team training for our field staff. The training emulates trainings conducted with teachers. Following this I would give them a chance to work together to design the next workshop, perhaps give them more context and show them videos of previous workshops etc. I would observe them working on the assignment, and have them conduct a mock training to present the final idea. Following this their reflection narrative could be in the form of an email that they send by the next day, and I think a simple format suggestion might be useful.

Do let me know if this is in line with the idea and I welcome any suggestions that could improve the process/test.

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Hi Aparna!
There is no timeline for building on an idea as this is an open innovation platform. Anyone can borrow and build anytime! There is a timeline for the challenge. This one is almost over. Collaboration and idea development can continue after the challenge ends. You jumping into the challenge and actively engaging with ideas is great! Thanks for offering to test this idea. I put the commenters here onto “the virtual team” so as you post feedback we can all learn from your experience. (Everyone on the team gets a notification from OpenIDEO when comments are posted.) That can lead to impact itself as others might build off your learnings, incorporating them into their work as interviewers or building their projects going forward. Posting feedback can lead to more conversation, collaboration, prototyping, iterating…. impact – a new and improved interview/recruiting process on the path to youth employment?

As per your plan above - It looks good. What kind of questions are you considering for the narrative? I am curious to hear how that goes. What surprises you? What changes? After reading it how important will it be in your decision making? Will you feel the need to call an applicant in for a second interview because you learned something new based on this narrative - something concerning or something special? Looking forward to hearing how your team experiences the process as well. Would it be appropriate to get feedback on the experience from the applicants? I am not sure. Perhaps only from the person offered the position?

Great conversation! Thanks again for testing the idea. Excited to hear your learnings! Welcome to OpenIDEO!

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Great encouragement, Bettina! Aparna – as Bettina mentions, you are welcome to try out any ideas (or parts of them) from our challenges – that's the awesomeness of our open innovation process. Of course, we hope you'll chime in here so Sarah, and this ideas's team hear about your progress and learnings.

If you've got a particular milestone or update that you think our wider OpenIDEO community would love to hear – you'll be able to post it to our Impact phase which will open when our challenge winners are announced or shortly after. Here's some tips on posting to our Impact phases:

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Hi Bettina, Meena,

Thank you for clarifying. Am setting up the process to try out the idea, will post again with reflections and feedback once it is done!

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Hi Aparna.
Happy New Year! Just following up on our past conversation here. Would love to hear any feedback from your experiences with the interviews. Curious to hear how they went and what you learned during the process!

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